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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:09 pm

Hello

I have dried the GW residue and imbibed it with the GW spirit and set it in a BM. Everything dissolved into a dark brown liquid. One gallon of putrified GW is reduce to about a 150mls.



Nick, Does the color seem right, it is very dark. When I shine a strong light through it looks dark red. I will gently distill till it fluxes and then refrigerate.
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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:59 am

That's what I'm saying...

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My photos are What a Face: I'll buy a good camera when I'll make gold Laughing (I'm not joking just laughing).
I put fresh crystals in the water distilled with calxviva.
Or I evaporate the water and put the crystals in the frigde or I distill it first and then put in the fridge... I'm thinking about it, may be I'll experiment both.

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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:25 am

atm I am rectifying my spirt again:

the salt sublimes even easier and can be seen for the first time also through the whole condenser and in the receiver.







receiver flask:







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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:53 pm

Gosh, now I remember that I calcined The crystals... Rolling Eyes!

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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:58 am

Hi all,
I send you some pics of my simple, direct and quick work with GW prepared in the meanwhile of other paths.
The main part of these crystals are from an evaporated GW, a little part from a bottle of old GW that I simply wash with tap water but produced some stinky little transparent crystals.

First of all I calcined some of my main part of salts-crystals: then I throw everything for the reason that you know.

But I’ve purified the other salts-crystals, of the both kind, shaping them again in crystals with a little fresh GW or dew, freezing the first time then heating them for 3 times. The first crystals smell sour &acid, the second sweet, the third one like honey and chocolate.

First phase evaporated GW crystals

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It seems that I should heat them with gold leaves in a little, closed crucible.
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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:39 am

When you dried your golden water, as long as you didn't calcine or overheat it, then you should be able to get crystals. The crystals that sublime might be better than the ones that form through evaporation. And it would make sense that you need to seal the crucible if the salt being used can sublimate as a gas and escape, so it must be sealed to let the salt work on the metal much the same way ammonium chloride does it's work on metal salts when you mix them together.

Which makes me wonder what would happen if you mixed ammonium chloride and gold hydroxide or leaf together into a fine powder, then heated them in a sealed crucible with the gold at it's melting point. Could the ammonium chloride break down the gold because its molten and easy to destroy the body?

We've seen what sal ammoniac does when its mixed with a salt of a metal and sublimed -- it extracts the sulfur of the metal. And nothing happens if you use gold leaf instead of a gold salt because the ammonium chloride can't react with it. But when you heat the gold up to its melting point and its completely molten, and ammonium chloride is swirling around inside the flask, attacking the molten gold with pure hydrochloric acid fumes and feebase ammonia fumes, then perhaps an incredible change can take place, and there is nothing mystical about it. Maybe its just a chemical reaction?

That would seem almost possible since both golden water and morning dew have the potential to produce ammonium chloride, but then we must remember that our "Alkahest salt" can also be used with a little water and gold leaf, and over a period of time on gentle heat, the salt dissolves and opens the gold. This is something ammonium chloride simply can't do. In fact, there is no know salt in all of modern chemistry that is known to have such an incredible ability. A neutral pH and yet able to dissolve all metals, even gold.

I don't think chemistry will ever be able to explain why our salt does what it does, but I'm eager to have it tested to see if every salt made from dew or golden water consistently contains similar chemicals, or if these chemical vary widely depending on when the dew or golden water was collected. If so, then its stronger evidence that the chemicals play no important role in dissolving the gold, and that is where chemistry ends and alchemy begins.

Most people think chemistry took off where alchemy ended, and as we learned more about chemicals, alchemy became nonsense. But the reality is that alchemy explains and creates things which can't be classified by chemical terminology, and can't be investigated with chemical techniques. In other words, alchemy does impossible things which chemistry can't exlpain because at a certain point, what's happening in the flask or crucible is no longer involving chemical reaction, but instead involves alchemical reactions. Just as there are chemicals in the world, apparently there are also "alchemicals" which aren't detectable by chemicals means, but they are sometimes found inside of chemicals and form bonds with ordinary chemicals, and that is why we can utilize chemicals to find and concentrate the "alchemicals" nature produces. And only in nature do we find these "alchemicals". They can't be produced or synthesized in the lab, and that is why no alchemy process works to make the Stone from metals unless an Alkahest of some sort is derived from a natural source, like dew, rain, or the human sources like golden water, blood, and even semen, but extracting these "alchemicals" from human fluids is quite a stinky mess.

I like this theory of "alchemical" and "alchements" so much, I might devote a chapter to this in my book.


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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:24 am

Nick,

I am not there yet, but when using a threaded iron pipe is it ok to just tighten the cap or should you use a seal. If so can you suggest a good sealant?
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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:46 pm

Nick,

It's sort of like how chemists don't know what gives compounds their color. Most pure compounds are white but if they have another color it's probably yellow or red, like sulfur is yellow for example and phosphorous is red. But what makes them have this color because it's not the chemical itself is it? And why is it that pure compounds are only white, yellow, or red, the colors of the philosopher's stone? Does it have to do with why my skin is white but my blood is red, or a potatoe's skin is red but it's flesh is white.

And why is it that the stone can be made from so many different paths? Surely all these paths do not lead to the exact same chemical formulation but too many different ones. Yet the end product always resembles the same thing, a red glassy material. It's almost like the philosopher's stone is an idea more than a chemical. It is like a state of matter, not a specific chemical compound. I like it when you start thinking about what makes alchemy alchemy because it makes me think really hard too. There's definitely something in alchemy that goes beyond regular physical matter and reaches something rather transcendent. It reminds me of the red glassy material I had on an analytical balance lately that kept changing it's weight. Now I don't know of any physical element in science which can do that!
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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:24 pm

I am doing the GW method 3 in Nick’s book. It says you should distil from the putrefied GW the spirit by itself, and evaporate the remaining phlegm to dryness.

When I follow these instructions I first get the small drops of the spirit only for about ¼ of the whole liquid, then the bigger drops of the phlegm distil over.

Is that the idea to only destil ¼ of the spirit and evaporate 3/4 of the remaining liquid or do I take it too literally?

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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:39 pm

That sounds exactly right to me Frank. I was planning on taking off the first 1/6 just as an estimate, but now I know what is meant by the smaller/bigger drops. A more spirited water would be thinner and thus be able to form smaller drops. It is cool you have been able to notice that. If I can't see it I will just stick with the first 1/6. Don't forget to purify your salt which is an addition to the book process.
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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:17 pm

Thanks for the prompt reply bluefloor. Are you sure that 1/6 to ¼ of the “more spirited water”
is enough to dissolve the salt before and during circulation? Do you mean to evaporate 3/4 of the liquid?

The idea of circulation is to break down the molecules of the salt to make it less and less dense. If there is not enough spirit that might not be possible.

How do you purify the salt? By solve and coagula (dissolving and coagulating) with distilled water?

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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:57 pm

Frank,

The instructions do not give an amount but only say distill off the spirit by itself. I remember in one discussion about what amount constitutes the spirit, 1/6 was brought up, but also 1/4 has been said. So I thought if I am in that range I would be fine. But as you have said there also might be a visual cue to tell you when to stop distilling. So that first amount that comes over is our spirit.

To refine that salt Nick said to use the same method as with dew, so I think he meant the method that is used in morning dew method number 3 from the book. To apply it to ph. dew. :

1. after you have digested the dried caput mortem with the spirit for at least 2-3 weeks, filter it (while warm), and throw away what filters out.

2. distill to dryness. powder the caput mortem and dissolve it in the spirit and put it on gentle warmth for 24 hours, then filter away what did not dissolve for it is only impurities.

3. repeat this process 10 times but on the last time do not distill to dryness. stop the distillation when a skin starts to form, then place that in the fridge to grow crystals.


I think that is the method he was talking about. I am by no means knowledgeable about the things of alchemy and am not trying to sound like I am. I am just taking instruction from Nick Very Happy and trying to learn as I go along.
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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:54 pm

Thanks again bluefloor,
I like the accurate way you interpret those misty instructions. You probably got the handiness and the logic to take some reason to the alchemical dreamland. I truly appreciate your insights.

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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:21 am

bluefloor wrote:
Nick,

I am not there yet, but when using a threaded iron pipe is it ok to just tighten the cap or should you use a seal. If so can you suggest a good sealant?


No you don't need to seal the pipe. You only need to have it 100% air tight if you are using mercury inside.
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PostSubject: Re: GW Method 3   Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:27 am

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And why is it that pure compounds are only white, yellow, or red, the colors of the philosopher's stone?


What about all the different colors of the elements of the periodic table. Cobalt for example is blue.

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And why is it that the stone can be made from so many different paths? Surely all these paths do not lead to the exact same chemical formulation but too many different ones. Yet the end product always resembles the same thing, a red glassy material.


There are many paths, but they all do indeed produce the same thing -- all they do is turn gold into its glass-like form. Just like there are many different chemical ways to dissolve gold, there are different alchemical ways to dissolve gold and make it become the clear red form of itself. Whatever is doing that to the gold is probably the same "alchemical" but found in different places, like dew, and the human fluids, and some other natural sources we haven't discovered yet.

There is only one true Philosopher's Stone from each of the metals, and its clear and the color varies depending on the metal. Silver is strange because it's blue when dissolved, but clear white when hardened into the Stone. Copper is probably a green stone. I can't wait to make all the Stones and see what they look like and what color they glow when they are at the 7th Order.
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